It's the epic quest of campers everywhere: How do you get the perfectly toasted marshmallow? In our inaugural installment of NPR's Summer Science series, we gave some guidance on the first key ingredient: how to build the campfire. (Later this summer, we'll attempt to answer the vexing question of how to stave off brain freeze.)
For the marshmallow-toasting tips, science correspondent Joe Palca again turned to Daniel Madryzkowski, a fire protection engineer from the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
Madryzkowski explains that there are two kinds of heat coming from the fire — the hot gases coming off the fire as flame (that's convective heat) and the radiant heat coming from the hot coals.
"You want to stay a little to the side of the flames, and also over an area where you see glowing coals," Madrzykowski says. The reason: It's hard to stay in the sweet spot of the dancing flames. "If you want to get it nice and toasted, you typically rely on radiant energy."
But even with Madryzkowski's supervision and pro tips, Joe still managed to torch his marshmallow. That led him to another crucial question: Why do they burn so well?
To find out, and to hear more from their camping adventure, click on the audio link above.
DAVID GREENE, HOST:
Here on MORNING EDITION we have turned our attention to the science behind summer activities. After all, the simplest questions can really lead to the most interesting scientific explanations. NPR science correspondent Joe Palca has agreed to help us sort through some of the mysteries that pop up on those long, lazy days of summer. And today, the epic quest for campers everywhere - how do you get that perfect roasted marshmallow?
JOE PALCA, BYLINE: These are really fine marshmallows, and we have until September 2012 to use them according to the package.
GREENE: That was Joe's voice, and he convinced Dan Madryzkowski from the National Institute of Standards and Technology to assist him in his scientific quest. They built a campfire and Joe took some pointers from the expert.
PALCA: And I'm going to hold it over this fire.
DAN MADRYZKOWSKI: You want to stay a little to the side of the flames, and also over an area where you see glowing coals.
PALCA: There are two kinds of heat coming off the fire.
MADRYZKOWSKI: If you're above the fire, you're in the convective flow.
PALCA: That's the hot gasses coming off the fire's flame. Though its flames are dancing all over the place, it's hard to stay in the sweet spot, and you can catch the marshmallow on fire if you're not careful.
MADRYZKOWSKI: But if you want to get it nice and toasted, you typically rely on radiant energy.
PALCA: That's heat coming off the glowing coals. Those coals give a more even, more consistent heat.
MADRYZKOWSKI: You could put it down a little lower, like probably right there.
PALCA: Wait, wait, we have disaster. It's caught fire. Dan explained why the marshmallow caught fire.
MADRYZKOWSKI: Because that marshmallow is a piece of fuel. Marshmallows are made predominately of sugar, and what's in the sugar?
PALCA: Sugar is made of carbon and hydrogen and oxygen, and as Dan Madryzkowski will tell you, carbon and hydrogen and oxygen are...
MADRYZKOWSKI: All the things that we need to make a nice piece of fuel.
PALCA: So now we understand why marshmallows can burn when you heat them over a fire. But if you manage not to torch them, they get a little brown and they puff up as you hold them over the coals. Why do they puff up? Well, there are pockets of air inside the marshmallow which is why it's so nice and squishy. As the marshmallow heats up, those pockets of air expand, and if you're a really good roaster, you get a delicate soufflé-like quality. There's a bit of summer science for you. Joe Palca, NPR News, Washington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.